S.W.A.T. Magazine TV Lost Episode 7: Use of Cover with Kyle Lamb

We spend most of our time training on a flat range against paper target. Those paper targets represent real threats that might occur in the real world around barricade, around things like this dirty truck or that car. Today on SWAT Magazine TV Kyle Lamb is going to help us learn how to use these things for the maximum protection in a worst case scenario. So if I was gonna come and shoot around the back of this truck, if this is the only thing I had, I didn't want to go low for some reason, I'm shooting a hundred yards or whatever it might be. I start moving up to this vehicle.

I'm gonna drop my arm through my slang grab the front of my magazine well transitioned weapon to my support side. I'm gonna use my forearm pushed against the side of the vehicle to stabilize the weapon. When I'm done with that safety will go back on, grab the front of my magazine well transitioned weapon back to my strong side. I move around the vehicle. It's time for me to pop this corner.

I'm gonna keep my back knee up, that way I can quickly step out to take my shots. I may want a little bit of support off the vehicle. So I'm gonna grab my weapon with a C type clamp there. I'm gonna go off the side of the side of the vehicle and take my shot. Okay safety back on.

Now, moving over to the other vehicle Sometimes we're gonna have to deal with an extremely low position. We may not be able to get into in a normal prone firing position. So we're gonna use a position I call broke back mountain prone. Some cops from California named this and I think it's kind of a fitting position or name for the position you'll see when I get down in this position. If all I had for cover was this tire and the engine block but I still have to shoot under the vehicle to see where the bad guys at, because if he's crouched down I may not be able to see that what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna place my feet close to the tire of the vehicle.

I'm gonna take my hand, place it down here. I'm gonna take my vertical grip and hook it on my forearm. And using that to pull the weapon back into my shoulder. I'm gonna ease down and around till I've got a target. I'm gonna engage the threat from right there.

On this particular range we can't get the targets low enough to actually see them down range. So we're not able to engage there, so I can drop down into position, take my shots. If I had to transition to the other side, I'll simply grab the front of my magazine well, spin back around and I'd shoot around this side of the vehicle. If, if you don't have a vertical grip, don't worry about it. You can also just take your forearm and push the magazine against your forearm and do the same thing.

Some position just like this. Try to stay as low as you possibly can. Move! Safety on transition, hustle, hustle, hustle. Right there, look where your knee is at, switch knees, switch knees.

Okay, lean into that vehicle, get some good stability. Now, if you had to step out, you could do it. Okay, continue to the next vehicle. Safety on, hustle, hustle, hustle. All right, good.

Okay, hold up right there John. Okay, shooter ready, Move, hustle, hustle, hustle. Be aggressive, be aggressive, lean into it. Safety on. What we gotta be careful of guys, look at the stance he's got right here.

Doesn't look too bad but the problem we've got is if his body happens to be a little clumsy and bumps him, look what happens. He's gonna get pushed out from cover. So he's gonna square his body a little bit more. You see, I've really got to push him to make him move. There you go, stick your head down.

Keep your head down. Safety on, hustle to the next vehicle, hustle, hustle, hustle. All right good index, move, move, move, hustle, hustle, hustle. Safety on, hustle to the front. Move, hustle, hustle, hustle.

There you go, good. Safety on. Okay this time, put your hand down and pull the vertical grip back against it. Other way, keep the vertical grip in front of your wrist to pull back on it. How do you like that?

Oh, much better. There you go good. Good, hustle. All right good. What do you think of that?

That makes a big difference Much better, huge, huge difference. And it gives you that elevation change that you need If somebody's close you're gonna need to quickly switch your elevation and you can do that. And if you're shoot your 308, you hook that vertical grip, you don't even notice it. They're equal, that matter at all. Really big difference.

The small point to these techniques that you're sharing with us really make a huge difference. I'd never seen that position before, but the world of difference that putting that vertical fore grip on one side or the other made, impressive. These are the kinds of details that you get when you come out to train with somebody who had operational experience and a wealth of training knowledge. Kyle, I really appreciate you giving us the practical application here with these vehicles. Now later in the show, let's go inside, take a look at how we're gonna use this for the homeowners as they're actually moving through.

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Caliber choice for me personally is a nine millimeter. For home defense or personal defense I go with a core bonded round technology again is made drastic improvements. You know, there used to be the old school thought that got to have a 45 stopping power, all that. Well, the studies nine millimeter does the job. And me personally, I have more nine millimeter handguns than I do anything else, but by no means am I shunning the 40 caliber or the 45 cause they all have a place.

I think for my students, it goes down to a preference of their particular style of handgun and what fits their hand better, but nine millimeter. I don't believe caliber is as important as shot placement. From what I've seen, a lot of guys have said that for example, 5561 won't kill people you've got to have 6.8 or something like that. I'm a big fan of 556. I'm a bigger of 762 cause we got the extended range.

As far as pistol goes, I would say, what pistol can you shoot well as long as it's nine millimeter or larger, that's what I'm gonna go with. There's a lot of great bullets out there. You need to do to look around and research that and see what works for your application. But if you have small hands, you don't wanna, you probably don't wanna shoot a 45. You probably wanna shoot a nine or a 40.

Caliber means absolutely nothing without the marksmanship skill. So that's number one. After that, if the shooter has a marksmanship skills, I really don't think it's, I think we're arguing semantics a lot of times. I would tell somebody to go with what, what you feel the most confident with. What you feel you can maintain a high level of skill with and what's within your affordability.

A lot of times ammunition particularly exotic ammunition is costly. And if you don't, you could have the best equipment in the world but if you're not out there training a regular basis, doesn't matter. Caliber choice is extremely important and I think it's all individual. I think it's going to be up to the each individual person as to what caliber that is. Whatever caliber a person is not afraid of can handle can control and accurately put fire on the desired target.

That's the caliber they gotta go with. It's gonna depend on what we're talking about. If we're talking about a handgun, I think that caliber choice is moot, once you get from nine millimeter or up above a nine millimeter. Nine millimeter, 40 or 45 loaded properly putting the rounds in the right spot are gonna stop someone. Not that important, be accurate with it.

whatever it is, a Slingshot or a 50 Cal, it doesn't matter be accurate with it. All right, we're here at the ALERRT facility indoor shooting range down here in San Marcos, Texas. Kyle, we saw the learning how to transition and learning why to transition for the practical application of the law enforcement guys around vehicles. Now we're inside of a home setting. What are we gonna do in here?

Basically the same thing. If you're by yourself, you need to move to your house around vehicles, whatever it might be. We still want to transition to give ourselves as little available target to the bad guy as possible. When we pop these corners, driving corners whatever it might be we wanna go if I go left-hand and to get less exposure, that's what I want to do. So we're gonna do is try to take these guys through this scenario and see, just see how they react when we do that and make sure that they're putting their safety on when they need to, are they're transitioning the correct way.

They're having a good stance and not falling out there and having more visibility to the bad guy. Excellent, well, I'm gonna head up on the catwalk. I'll send the students into you and can't wait to see how they do. All right. Okay Lee, what we're gonna work on here is we're gonna have you do this strong side the first time just to show you how much more exposure you would have if you kept a weapon on your right side shoulder.

So go ahead and clear that corner don't engage the threats or anything. If they were there, just pop out there and see what you see. You can see how much he is exposed. You've got, well, you got all your head exposed to a bad guy if they were down that hall, correct? Correct.

Okay, so come on back in. So you remember earlier today how we talked about the transition you're gonna take your firing hand, grabbed the front of the magwell transitioned your support side and then we're gonna do the same thing on the support side. So whenever you're ready do your transition. There you go. Step forward weapon stays on safe until you have a target to engage, pop that corner.

Good safety comes off, do not shoot. All right, good. You can see how much less exposure you have here. You're still pretty stable. Feel pretty good?

Pretty good. And this is a good example of where we could actually use our hand like a C to clamp that weapon to that wall. Does that make sense? Yes it does. All right, safety on.

Let's come back and let's go hot. Okay, the scenario that we're gonna have here is we've got a, we've got Lee in his house. This is where he's been hanging out. Actually want you to go ahead and ground your weapon over in the corner over there. He's got his weapon over in the closet.

He doesn't have a round in the chamber. So when he secures his weapon he'll have to put around in the chamber. And at that point, something happens. We've got glass breaking. We've got his kid screaming in his room.

That's just down the hallway to the left here. So as a responsible parent, we've got to quickly get down there and make sure that nobody harms our child. So what he's gonna try to do is move to this doorway. He's gonna clear this hallway. Once he clears this hallway, he's gonna immediately move to his kid's room is going to clear that room.

He's gonna make contact with his child and he's gonna get on the phone and call 911 and try to get the cops come help them out if they possibly can. Any questions on that? No, sir. Okay, as you're going through I'm gonna give you guidance if you need it, okay? All right, you just heard glass break and your kid is screaming.

Hurry up and secure your weapon. Keep it in a safe direction. Put around in the chamber. Get faced towards the threat, safety on. Okay, start moving up.

There you good, he transitions to a support side. Now make sure of your shots. Good, safety on, is the target down? Is a threat down? Target is down.

Okay, safety on, hustle to the room, hustle to the room. Through that corner pop the other corner. Good, stay on the wall. There's your kid. Good you got your kid.

All right, pull your kid back behind that table. Flip that table up, get some cover cover. Okay, let's get that phone out. Let's get the cops headed this direction. Yes I just had an intruder in the house, can you please send somebody.

All right, excellent. All right, index, good run. A couple of things there, just make sure that if you get on the line with the police you might wanna put your phone on speaker just so you can talk to them with, and use both hands on your weapon. If you think there's more intruders you may not wanna do that. Just a couple of things to think about.

The other thing is make sure that if shots have been fired you let them know that shots had been fired. And that way they'll kind of know what to expect when they show up to your house. All right, so you can see how using the strong and the support side transition, it works very well. Lee did a great job, he quickly moved into this room. He's gonna give up a little bit of security but speed is gonna be his security at that point.

He quickly moved down, it's his house, he knows exactly where he's going. He knows where his child is in bed. He quickly moved in here, got the kid out of bed, got a little bit of concealment to hide behind. And if this was a high-quality table maybe it would actually stop bullets. You can see what happened.

All right, let's go hot with the next student. Okay. somebody just broke into your house, make it happen. You hear your kids screaming. All right, index, index.

Good run Well Kyle we definitely see how these skills can be important inside of a real world setting. When you're working with law enforcement or civilians how often do you see them be able to work in an environment like this and apply the skills they learn on the flat range as quickly as these guys did? These guys are pretty switched on. I think normally though, if we go out with law enforcement and people that are seeking this type of training they know what they're trying to get out of it. And they wanna learn for two reasons.

One, they're gonna protect their family or one they're gonna, two, they're gonna protect the citizens that they're supposed to be protecting. So, they know what they're getting into and they're pretty switched on. I think that just a couple hours on the range, transitioning stronger support, you see what we've accomplished here. When you're getting ready to practice these techniques be sure to practice them in that live fire environment. Be sure to practice them dry or preferably with a training gun, or maybe even with a broomstick at first in your home, you don't need to be messing around with live fire inside of your house but you definitely want to practice these techniques in the environment that you're actually gonna use them.

Kyle, pleasure working with you. Appreciate you being on SWAT Magazine TV. And thank you for watching SWAT Magazine.