Rob Leatham

Worlds Collide: Competitive vs Defensive Skill Sets

Rob Leatham
Duration:   3  mins

Description

Shooting skill sets: Which ones matter only in competition shooting, and which ones matter only in defensive shooting? And where is the overlap? Rob Leatham and Rob Pincus discuss the differences and similarities.

Competition

Competitive shooting is all about the score, so the most important thing is the points on the target. Accuracy is only as needed for each particular course of fire versus the time. For example, in an IPSC match, where shooters hit the target is not important, as long as they hit it really fast. IDPA matches are the opposite: Missing the center zone adds a second to the time.

Defensive

In a defensive shooting, the skills are more like IPSC: Just hit the target and do it fast in order to stop the bad guy.

Rob and Rob take some shots to demonstrate the differences and conclude that for the defensive-minded person who is also interested in competition, the accuracy standard in IPSC is closer to what they will train and practice for defensive shooting.

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2 Responses to “Worlds Collide: Competitive vs Defensive Skill Sets”

  1. TROY

    Absolutely have to watch every "worlds collide" video. This is a great series. I have learned more from this series that anything I've watched. Not only is it comp vs. reality, but in most cases, it can be applied to training range vs. reality. It makes you think about what you do at the rules-intensive range that will help or hurt you in the real world. Again, great series, great job!

  2. Gary Sackman

    Interesting discussion on the two shooting styles. It's nice to have the techniques and style all perfected, but what if the cardboard silhouette has a loaded gun, pointed at you. Do you really want to stand the adversary down and have a shootout? There may be a time when that is the only option. IF you are not fast enough it will be your last time. The crook, usually a hardened one with multiple arrests, does not care if you are alive or dead. Police, civilian gun owner, military, whatever, he's getting out of there. Even if he is not John Dillinger, a common thug with a gun can hurt you. Teach some defensive maneuvers to get out of the line of fire, while having your weapon trained on the target. Return accurate fire on the target. Find concealment (hard cover) from the fire and wait for the opportunity to terminate the threat. Best of all, don't put yourself in those situations in the first place. Thanks.

All right Rob, we're back on the range. A little bit rainy today, we've got some targets, we got guns and we got some things we've talked about over the last couple of years of working through this Worlds Collide thing. Today, right now, first thing I wanna throw at ya, skill sets, defensive versus competition. I've got some ideas I want your ideas. What's something that's a skill set that only really matters in competition or vice versa? Well in competition it's all about score. So, it's always about the points on the target, regardless of where you hit 'em. You know, accuracy is only as needed for that particular course of fire versus the time. So like in an IPSC match you're not gonna care about where you hit the target most of the time, just that you hit it really, really fast, right? An IDPA match is exactly the opposite. At this distance Rob, I can't miss that center zone, because each time I do, it adds a second to my time. But in a fight that's not gonna be the same thing. Right, in a fight the skill set is more like what you're saying with IPSC, which is just hit the target. Right, just-- Get something happening. Get something hit and get it done soon as possible to alter the next series of steps that occur. Okay, what's there for the person who's at home training what's the difference? If I'm standing here, we say, well I could stand here and take 30 seconds for each shot. And come really close to hittin' the actual letter A, or I could take a third of a second for each shot and just know that I'm gonna hit the cardboard. What's the skillset? What's the drill? Well for me, basically, let's go ahead and go hot here. If I was just gonna shoot that left target and all I cared about was from the standpoint of getting the best possible score, I'm gonna lock out, I'm gonna be solid, I'm gonna shoot perfect. I'm never gonna take a chance on that target. I'm never gonna take a chance at that distance, that I drop a point. Because those three shots were probably one second or like a second and a quarter? Exactly. If you missed one of them, that takes it to two and a half seconds. Right, exactly, so the time just goes crazy. But in a fight, if I shot that slow, I'm imagining that's ridiculously slow. I mean, 'cause I can hit that target much, much quicker. So if it was in a fight, I'd imagine it'd be... Right? Right. And we don't care that there's one in the- Well, there's one out- Outside, doesn't matter? I couldn't do that if that was an IPSC or an IDPA match. Right, you just lost. Right. You're not the world champion. I would not win. All right, so, balancing speed and precision, we've heard this before. Balancing speed and precision is incredibly important, but it's also important on the game side not just the defensive side. And if you don't understand that, you may pick the wrong game when you're practicing your defensive skills. IPSC actually sounds like the better one over IDPA for the skill set that I would want, which is just hit the target. It would be more legit as far as the standpoint of in a fight. You know, you're not gonna have the time to take perfect site pictures and set up perfectly and stand perfectly. It's gonna be a little more wide open. There's gonna be a lot happening. I mean, if somethings coming at you, it's closer if shoot it for IPSC. And this is why it's so confusing. People say, well, competition still helped, maybe it does. We all know there's a lot of other things in IPSC that have nothing to do with fighting. But the accuracy standard actually tends to be more like it. Things aren't as simple as they often seem to be when you just type it out on the internet. Getting the head of someone who understands all the competitions is gonna help you understand how to really use those opportunities to get better in a defensive situation.
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