Steve Aryan

Shouldering an AR Pistol with a SIG Brace

Steve Aryan
Duration:   7  mins

Description

Steve Aryan of Grey Fox Industries discusses considerations when shouldering an AR pistol using the SIG Stabilizing Brace or a pistol buffer tube.

SIG Brace

The SIG Brace is not a stock, so it is not permanently physically attached to prevent it from shifting or spinning. Steve twists it so it’s cockeyed. This is not helpful in gaining speed and consistency in the mounting process. Make sure the SIG Brace stays squared away!

Where do you mount it? Many people mount it in a position that their natural point of aim is off, which you don’t want to do. Mount it just a hair off of centerline, so instead of the recoil pushing you to the side, it will push you straight rearward and allow faster follow-up shots.

Shouldering

Steve works just on shouldering the AR pistol and driving it up. Mount it inward on the body and focus on the bottom of the SIG Brace, just like you would a stock, and pivot it as if it’s on a ball joint, minimizing the movement. Drive the AR pistol up to your cheek. Don’t bring your face down to it.

High-Capacity Magazine Issue

As you drop the pistol down into a low ready position, if you have a magazine inserted, especially a high-capacity magazine, it will hit you in the lower stomach area. As a result, shooters often pivot the pistol so it’s more comfortable. Steve stresses that if you do that, keep the point of contact between the SIG Brace and your upper chest so you can quickly drive the pistol up and continue to get the consistent, fast cheek weld that is needed to put shots on target efficiently.

If you’re not running a SIG Brace but a pistol buffer tube, the same principles for shouldering an AR pistol roughly apply, as Steve demonstrates.

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7 Responses to “Shouldering an AR Pistol with a SIG Brace”

  1. jeremy salutric

    As of the most recent letter (2018-2019) the BATFE has determined that the pistol becomes an NFA item once you shoulder the brace. While I love the video it is teaching illegal use of this platform.

  2. Jeffrey Padayao

    The Buffer Tube AR Pistol is not designed to be shouldered, shoot your AR Pistol the way it is designed to shoot. Your shooting hand on the grip and the support hand on the hand guard with the AR Pistol away from your body and in front of you. Especially with Rob Pincus AR Pistol, it appears to be a 7.5 inch barrel. It would be very unpleasant to shoulder and too close to the face to shoot unless you have a blast forwarder attached to the muscle.

  3. Jeffrey Padayao

    You cannot make any modification legally with the stabilizing brace as you recommend to glue or tape to permanently have a fixed shoulder support. The stabilizing brace if modified in any shape of form becomes a regular stock and you rifle becomes an SBR.

  4. Sadell Garcia

    I thought that shouldering sig brace was considered illegal and would then make your gun now a short barrel rifle according to those collecting stamps

  5. Pete

    Guess I missed it ,when did B.A.T.F.E bless shouldering the sig brace ? I know they issued another letter on another manufacturers "brace" but it adressed only that "brace" as I understand it .

  6. Dale

    Is this an Short barreled rifle or a pistol? (BATF consideration) It is obviously being promoted to be used like a rifle.

  7. Hughston Shooting School

    Maxim braces will not rotate. It is the best "pistol brace" out there. https://www.maximdefense.com/product-category/arm-braces/ It is a game changer!

Here's some things to consider especially when specifically using the SIG Stabilizer Brace. If I'm going to mount this to my shoulder what are some things I need to consider? Well, number one, with this brace is not being a stock. There's no way that it's physically permanently attached to prevent it from shifting or spinning. So I can actually take this and spin it.

And now, as you can see, it's cockeyed. So, that's not going to be helpful to me. If I go to try to mount this and get consistency and speed in my, in my mount process. So, I need to make sure that this thing stays squared away. As far as permanently attaching with some type of glue or tape or something like that.

That's, that's an option. That's something that you could do once you got comfortable with the length of pull and exactly where it needs to be. But until then, that's something you need to consider. So, where do I mount it? Well, you see a lot of times people will take these and they will mount them on the far side of their shoulder, and they may pull it out like this with their kind of natural point of aims off.

And they're kind of tilted a little bit and we don't really want to do that. If you could imagine somebody pushing on my shoulder, taking them, pushing it what's going to happen to my other side? If I, if I got pushed here, well, it's going to start to spin this way. And so that's where you get with a person when they're aimed in and they're shooting and they start getting this bang, bang, bang because it's banging on their shoulder like this tilting them and spinning them the other direction. So what I want to do is I want to take that and I want to start shifting it for or into the center line of my body.

Now, obviously I can't have it perfectly center line in my body. I need to have it just off a hair. So I'm going to get it as close as I can get to center here. So now instead of it pushing me to the right, it's going to push me straight rearward and that's going to be able to allow me to have a faster followup shot, which is obviously super important when you're dealing with any type of self-defense. So, mount the rifle or the cabin or the pistol small center line of your body.

So these techniques are not specific necessarily to the pistol. This is the same stuff we're using on the rifle. So, when referring to the SIG Stabilizer Brace, it's it's not a whole lot different. So, let's go ahead and show you a couple of demonstrations of how I'm going to do it. So what I'm going to do here, I'm gonna go and clear this pistol out, lock it to the rear, make sure it's empty real quick.

Good. I see clear. So, I'm gonna work on just mounting it and driving it up. So again, just like I said before, I'm going to take it. I'm going to mount it more inward.

And again, I'm going to focus on the bottom of the brace here. Just like I would have stock. I'm going to put it here and it's basically going to pivot like it's on a ball joint. So when I take this and drive it up to my cheek, I'm not going to bring my face down to this. I'm actually going to bring the cabin up to my face.

So I'm here bringing it up. Notice what I'm not doing. I'm not standing here like this. And then trying to mount it. I'm actually pivoting it up into place.

I'm minimizing the movement. And also by not taking this and trying to mount it like this. I'm minimizing the mistakes that I will naturally make. In other words, if I know I'm here and I'm going to drive this up, I'm not make a mistake of mounting it too far here or too far here by being in a hurry and trying to mount it. So, that's why we like to use them, you know the ball joint mentality of mounting it more inward and keeping this contact here.

Now, as I dropped the pistol down if I'm standing more in a low ready position, one of the things I have to pay attention to is if I've got a magazine in here, specifically a high capacity one, as I start bringing it down it's going to start hitting me in my lower stomach area. And that's obviously not comfortable. So then what you see is you see people start to pivot the pistol over like this or the rifle, they'll pivot it over like this so it's hanging naturally and it's more comfortable. So you can bring it more close to your body. And it's more like a ready position.

Now what I'm going to do is I'm going to take this and I'm actually going to keep it still in contact with my chest right here. So when I drive it up I'm actually rotating it up like this. So once again, I'm not losing that point of contact. So that's one of the main keys I try to drive home is not only to have it center but not really lose that point of contact where you can quickly drive the pistol or your cabin. This applies to carbines as well rifles as well.

That we can quickly drive that up and get that consistent fast cheek wheel that we need to get to put shots on target effectively and quick. So, that's one of the main things that we see as instructors benefit our students in bringing the rifle up and getting shots on target quickly and efficiently. All right. So that's how that works with the SIG Stabilizing Brace. But what if you're not running a brace?

What if you're running a pistol buffer tube or something like that? Well, I'm gonna bring Robin real quick and I'm going to show you how that can still work using roughly the same principles. Now he's not going to be able to make contact maintain contact the whole time but roughly we're still gonna keep it center of our body. And we're going to drive it up to our cheek. We're not going to bring our face down to the carbon itself where the pistol itself, we're going to bring the pistol up to our face.

So Rob, go ahead and bring it up a few times. You see how he's bringing that up. It's also center-line. It's not way out here. Cause if it's squared here and he's shooting it every time he shoots, you're gonna, you're going to see that this is going to pivot this way and we don't want that.

That's the classic movie scene of the guy ba ba ba ba going up into the side and we don't want that. We want them all center. So he's gonna keep it center. He's gonna drive it up, and that's where he's going to operate from. So that's how you can make that same thing work utilizing just the buffer tube and not necessarily a SIG Stabilizing Brace.

So this technique isn't specific to one type of device or piece of equipment. This thing works no matter what you're using whether it's a pistol stock hey, or a pistol buffer tube rather or a SIG Stabilizing Brace it's going to work no matter what. So now let's see how this principle applies live and you guys can watch my body and the mechanics of what's gonna happen when I'm firing this pistol from the position I just showed you guys. So I'm going to go ahead and load and make ready at this time. All right.

Now what I'm going to do is I'm going to drive this up. Just like I talked about. I've got the good position here built. I've got my stance in place. And I'm going to drive it up and engage my target.

Bring it down. Again, if you notice I'm driving it straight up like this. Now, one more from this kind of ready position here. Notice my body's not shifting to the right at all. Notice, I'm able to keep the rifle on target.

Now I'm gonna do it from more of a relaxed position here. I don't have to rotate the pistol as I'm bringing it up. Drop it down. Notice I'm hitting the safety every time I'm coming up and down to safety as being engaged and disengaged. One more time.

I'm going to do it for more relaxed position. And down. Another thing that I'm going to give you as a kind of a bonus tip, if you notice when I'm driving this pistol up and I'm engaging, when I get done, I'm not immediately dropping it back down. Why? Because I am assessing, if I am satisfied with my work I'm getting the habit of bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Am I happy? I'm happy. I've got the results. I'm looking to see my target's reaction. I'm looking for that next radical.

I'm looking for that next front side or next front sight post or whatever. I'm continuing to drive and staying in that gunfight mode or that shooting mode. So if you don't want to develop the habit when you're trying to work on your mount of immediately driving up engaging and just dropping fast. So, we don't want to do that. What we wanna do is we want to bring it up, engage bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and then bring it down slowly.

We want to make sure that we're always chasing that next sight picture. Cause it just promotes good marksmanship skills and it'll make you actually faster in the long run.

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